Jolie Shapiro00:02.211
Hey all, welcome to the Revenue Mine Podcast. I'm Julie, your host. Oh, I gotta start over, I should always write this out and I never do and I try and add a little bit and it just, it's terrible. One sec. Hey y'all, welcome to the Revenue Mind Podcast, a podcast where revenue leaders chat all things mental health. I'm a dual year host and with us is Claude, welcome Claude.
Claude Silver00:27.554
Hello, nice to see you.
Jolie Shapiro00:29.409
Yeah, you too. Thank you so much for joining. first off, congrats on your book.
Claude Silver00:34.798
Thank you, it's five weeks old now. Yeah, it's still a little baby.
Jolie Shapiro00:41.731
I know. Yeah, it's kind of like a, when you think about books and you literally like, well, you don't birth it. That sounds a little awkward, but it's like, no, I wrote it. Yes. Yeah, yeah. People say I'm like, yeah, I'm a writer and I don't say that.
Claude Silver00:51.096
People have said that to me and I'm like, hmm, not quite. not quite. I blood, sweat, and tear a bit, but I didn't birth anything. Yeah, but it's out in the wild.
Jolie Shapiro01:10.667
Yeah, exactly. I like Out in the Wild. That's a good one. Cool. So thank you again for joining. Gonna ask you a series of questions, but it's just gonna be back and forth. So let's go. All right, first one. If you couldn't mention your title, resume, or mom, how would you describe who you are in the season of your life?
Claude Silver01:20.088
You it? Let's do it. Did you say I couldn't record my title, my resume or my mom? that I...
Jolie Shapiro01:37.995
or mom as a mother, that your mother.
Claude Silver01:41.038
I am on the glorious back nine and my front nine was amazing. My back nine will be even better. I get to do what it is I love that brings me a lot of joy every single day and living my purpose, which is to be a joyful service. And I'm a bit of a goofball.
Jolie Shapiro02:06.339
As you can tell, I am too. Yeah, I just, I take life very seriously, but I also like to have fun.
Claude Silver02:17.142
Yeah, I mean, you have to. I'm a Taurus. Like, what else can I say? I love all things. I love food. I love drink. I love everything. I need to learn the world with my hands. I'm experiential. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here to play.
Jolie Shapiro02:34.241
I love that. I'm probably the most unbalanced Libra you've ever met. That's how I'd put it. October 16th.
Claude Silver02:40.718
What day? yeah, you are smack in it though. Smack in it, all right. Well, we got to check out your moon and your rising. Yeah.
Jolie Shapiro02:50.691
True. Yeah, I never really got into the whole, that whole thing, but do you like it?
Claude Silver02:57.238
like it. I like anything that's like human behavior-esque. You know, that's my jam. I like living there.
Jolie Shapiro03:06.167
Yeah, that tracks. mean, you are the chief chief. my gosh. Totally tripping on my words. You are the chief heart officer so that that makes a lot of sense.
Claude Silver03:16.534
Yeah, yeah, I'm in the right place.
Jolie Shapiro03:18.903
I think so too. Great. So what was the exact moment that yourself at work stopped being an idea and became, have to write this, speaking of being out wild?
Claude Silver03:30.648
So about 10 years ago, I told Gary, I was going to write a book, Gary Vaynerchuk, my boss. And I told him in particular, because I know he will hold me accountable. Everyone else I can, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, push off. That was just a pipe dream, whatever. I'm too busy, all that stuff. So I told him. And what I knew at that moment, I wasn't quite sure what it would be about other than bringing humanity into the workplace. That's what I figured it would be about, which it is. But it wasn't until COVID that I actually had time to sit back and say, okay, now I have amassed a lot of time, I would say, in working with humans and working with leaders, high performance people, people that are not doing well, whatever. And I have seen enough to know that a change has to happen and a change has to start with us, with me, individual. And I was really. tired isn't the word. just watching people suffer in the workplace, watching people struggle, watching people shrink is not my jam. And yet we do it and people do it and they have the Sunday scaries as I used to and all the above. And so is this a blame game? No, it needs to start with the individual, with the leader, with the culture, with the ground. And I finally was like, it's time to do it. knew I was going to have to tell a little of my story in order to get into the book. I never wanted it to be a memoir or anything, but I knew I had to at least talk about, wow, there are many times in my life I didn't feel like I belonged, so I get it. And this is what I have done. And please take what you like and leave the rest.
Jolie Shapiro05:21.687
Yeah, that makes total sense from a high level for people that haven't read the book. What sorts of maybe one or two stories that you shared.
Claude Silver05:29.678
Yeah, yeah, the main, mean, the biggest story that I think I share like literally on page one or two is I was a terrible student, highly dyslexic and really didn't do well in academics. And I'm a Gen Xer, I graduated high school in 87. There was no gap year. was literally you're going to college and I should never have gone. I got into, I went to the only college I got into and I got into it on the waiting list. So it was really like, Claude. Anyway, two years in, bad decisions, bad drugs, bad boys. And I said to my parents, I gotta leave here. I gotta leave and I have to find the longest out or bound outdoor education course I could possibly find. I needed to get the heck out of civilization, if you will, because I was so good at self-sabotage and just on that hamster wheel as many of us are in adolescence. care for what you wish for. I found a 93 day wilderness leadership program. Yup, were you there? Did you do it too? there you go. so 93 days, no toilet paper, no tents. We're all carrying 80 pounds on our back. I'm the only young woman, nine young men. And so it's day one and we are...
Jolie Shapiro06:36.981
I'm saying there you go. Like that's that's
Claude Silver06:56.19
It's snowing, we're in the Colorado Rockies, about 11,000 feet up. And the guys just plow through to get to wherever it is we're going to camp for the night. And I'm hating life. I am suffering, I'm struggling. I am like, I can't even breathe, I'm so out of shape. And I'm crying. And I'm just praying that I will break my ankle so I can get out of here and go back home and do what's comfortable for me. Crying, crying, crying. And my instructor came all the way down the hill, mountain. I had a female instructor for the first 18 days and she comes right, you know, right like a foot away from my face. And she's like, she goes, what is going on in your head right now? And I said, well, I'm singing that nine inch nail song, you know, head like a hole, black is your soul. I'd rather die than give you control. And she looks at me and she, and I'm crying, right? And she goes, you better get another song in your head. And that is how the book starts. And that is really my entry into understanding eventually that only I can change this negative voice in here. I can't change it for anyone else. But that was the first time it was like, whoa. So I had 93 days then to figure that out and to come out a much healthier person. more confident and just more understanding that I wanted to be of service. And so, yeah, that's the best, literally like the one, bam, that was just, whew. And that, and there you go.
Jolie Shapiro08:30.819
That's amazing. Yeah, I think everyone's going to probably want to read your book now. Just based on that story.
Claude Silver08:47.702
Yeah, not nothing against Nine Inch Nails. mean, because I obviously was listening to him, but that was not, you know, like what's that song like, you know, happy by Pharrell or anything like that.
Jolie Shapiro09:02.211
was climbing at are you sorry where are based?
Claude Silver09:05.868
I'm based in New York, New Jersey, but I grew up in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
Jolie Shapiro09:09.932
okay, because you said the Rockies. I'm actually, so I live in Denver. Yeah, yeah, so I did. Sorry. No, no, go ahead.
Claude Silver09:13.122
Yeah. Well, this was in Leadville. The Colorado route were bound. So we started in Leadville and then went all the way west, Grand Canyon. Yeah. Yeah. yeah. yeah.
Jolie Shapiro09:19.542
yeah! That's amazing. Wow. That is so cool. Yeah. Did you do the continental divide? Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, my, so I was doing a peak in Breckenridge. My mom, she put on Mamma Mia to get up the mountain. That last little, last little hill. Yeah, she was, she was dancing up the mountain.
Claude Silver09:52.59
Good for her. What is that like 11, 12,000? That's high.
Jolie Shapiro09:56.452
Some like that, yeah. Yeah, was about, yeah, peak nine in Breck is, Breckinridge is about probably 12,000 feet, yeah.
Claude Silver10:03.092
Yeah, I mean, where you're like, step, breathe, step, breathe. That was me. Yeah, sucking wind, you know, climbing whatever we were climbing that first day. And so you know where I was. Yeah.
Jolie Shapiro10:09.012
much. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I can definitely relate to just struggling in school actually. I have dyscalculia. So the opposite. Yeah, I'm the math. Yeah, I'm totally. Yeah, no, it's actually, well, it's not funny. But so I...
Claude Silver10:30.144
or math whiz.
Jolie Shapiro10:38.333
I compensated, my verbal compensated ironically, right? Until about 10th grade and then Algebra 2, Algebra 2, boom! Shhh! Bomb! And I was like, what the hell happened? They're like, you haven't learned this, but I was like, thanks. Thank you so much.
Claude Silver10:47.03
Okay, wow. Thanks so much. Nice going there. Well, I took Algebra 3. I took Algebra 1 three times, even when I was a senior in high school. It just doesn't click for me. But I now know, because I've worked with it for so long, dyslexia is my biggest superpower. I'm happy. It was painful, but I'm happy.
Jolie Shapiro11:23.159
Yeah, for sure. My mom always said, I'm always gonna make a great adult. Like she always said, you're gonna hate childhood and high school and middle school and college, but you're gonna love being an adult. Much better. I'm not on the back nine yet, but I'm like.
Claude Silver11:33.39
And how are you doing now? You're not on the back.
Jolie Shapiro11:42.32
No, I'm on the front nine, but like a little further than like 20s. And it's, you you learn, I learned a lot of really hard lessons young. So I got lucky there.
Claude Silver11:48.482
you
Jolie Shapiro11:56.864
Speaking of hard lessons, ooh, transition. He's going to cut that out, don't worry. My corniness. Good. Great. So what's a moment that you abandoned yourself at work? And what did you get from it? And what did it quietly cost you?
Claude Silver12:18.838
Yeah, that's a really, really good one. Years ago, I abandoned myself at work by pretending I was not gay because I didn't feel safe in the culture I was in. I didn't feel safe in the microculture I was in, in particular the table I sat at. And so I abandoned myself and I faked it. pretended like, you know, I was dating someone named Alex or Jesse, you know, neutral names, that kind of stuff. And it sucked, actually, because I had been in San Francisco for 18 years where who cares what you are, you know, be a chimpanzee. does not matter. And and here I was in another another land. And it affected me because I started to have shame within the workplace about it. And I was like, seriously, I'm 40 years old. Really? This is something I'm ashamed about. So the payoff, the payoff was a lesson. There was nothing great about it. I could share it with a few people that, I ended up going out with going for drinks and whatnot. But I lived a very separate life and I wasn't used to that. And I'm not used to that today. I don't have that. I don't have a fragmented work life type of thing.
Jolie Shapiro13:49.506
Yeah, no, can totally, I mean, I can't, I can imagine that must have been very tough on my end for years before mental health was really, I mean, it's still, there's still a lot of stigma, but not as much as there used to be probably 10, 15 years ago. And I, you know, I have a pretty severe mood disorder and I never talked about it, never talked about it. And I just, I just kind of white knuckled it. Skin in my teeth, or not skin in my teeth. Whatever that expression is, I just like, I would up my meds, lower my meds just to like survive in these like super. intense environments. And you couldn't tell anyone that you had anything, especially like I lived in New York, I lived in Manhattan for five years. It's, they say if you don't make it there, can't make it anywhere. I made it in Denver though. So, yeah, seriously. But yeah, it's like coming out with that. I'm pretty open about it now. Not, I don't like
Claude Silver14:48.264
Double, double, double,
Jolie Shapiro15:04.469
shout out from the rooftops but
Claude Silver15:05.582
You didn't see it on the billboard last time I was in Denver going to Boulder, but I hear you. I hear you. And I'm glad that you can talk about it now. I mean, kids these days, they tell me all kinds of stuff. You know, it's great. Which is great.
Jolie Shapiro15:20.067
I know, my gosh. Yeah, it's, I feel like it's, there's no filter. I still have, I have no filter, but then I meet like Gen Zers and Gen Alpha, there's zero filter.
Claude Silver15:35.862
zero zero you have no filter but you're aware
Jolie Shapiro15:41.111
I'm Super Self Aware.
Claude Silver15:42.285
Yeah, I don't know. don't. Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes I had one guy, he's no longer at the workplace, he ADHD and some other things, executive functioning and some other things that he shared with me. And he basically said like, I need a walking treadmill and I need my own personal coach. I was like, I am so sorry we cannot get that for you, but we can accommodate you in other ways. And you may want to get a walking treadmill for your house. You know, I have one, like if that's what you need, but like, I can't just get it for you and not rent it out to everyone else. Anyway.
Jolie Shapiro16:23.797
Yeah, those are tough decisions.
Claude Silver16:26.304
Yeah, those are tough decisions and I want to, you know, and I thanked him for being so open with us with, you know, like that's a big deal. And I'm just sorry that it's not anything we are able to do here.
Jolie Shapiro16:39.491
Yeah, exactly. So I guess back to you, not I guess, back to you. It's funny, never, I actually, I don't know if I talked about this on podcast, I was with a friend once and I was, so I got recruited by the FBI in college because of the way I asked questions on a plane and it was the real card. was like the,
Claude Silver16:58.168
Really? Yeah.
Jolie Shapiro17:05.891
Federal Bureau of Investigation. I think that's what it's called. Yeah, I hope I said that right. Or else that's very embarrassing. So I got recruited by the FBI because of the way I ask questions. was with a friend a couple of years ago and she's like, Julie, you're interrogating me. Because I didn't want to talk about myself. So that's why I made that joke back to you. Like, let's actually make you the focus.
Claude Silver17:09.122
Yeah, yeah. you know what, you're really good at this because you're, it's not just about me, which I really appreciate. Yeah. Well, we're having a dialogue, know, which I like. Yeah. Yeah.
Jolie Shapiro17:33.152
yeah, no worries. you don't have someone like, like, yeah, which is fun. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to grill you. No, totally kidding. Speaking of another question. So why don't we walk through one brutal day where you had to lean on emotional optimism, bravery, and efficiency just to get through. Where did you nail it and where did you blow it?
Claude Silver17:42.04
What? Yes. Well, I'm having that day right now. I'm in it right now, and I'm not having the efficiency. I hope that we get to the efficiency. OK, emotional optimism for me, we're emotional people, right? But that doesn't mean that emotions run our lives. It means there are data points, right? And there's nothing wrong with that. So I was in a conversation early this morning with a few people and we were talking about some challenging things within the DEI, BIPOC culture at work. And I've heard these things over and over and over again. And I was like, wow. this first and foremost, like this is on me at the end of the day, if I oversee all of these people, but what are we doing? These are problems that I've been hearing about for three, five years and we're still talking about it today. And so my point was to get through that with like, we need to get to the solution. We need to get to the, what are the solutions? Training, courageous conversations. You know, I can just throw them out a dime a dozen, but we have someone that does this. and that person isn't doing the job. So I said, let's have a part two to this conversation. We scheduled it for tomorrow. The bravery part, emotional bravery is then doing, how did I feel? I felt yucky. I felt bummed out. I felt disappointed. I felt frustrated. felt like, listen, yes, of course it's on me, but I mean, you know, you have the budget, Like you're, you know, it's a... It's SVP to do it. And so then I decided that I would really try to have a conversation with this person and talk about. So the bravery part is taking action, right? feeling my feelings, knowing that it's going to be good, and then talking it out and not in a blamey way, just like, Hey, you know, we've heard this for a while. I know that you're busy doing triage all day with some of these issues, but like, that's not scalable. And we need to like, we need to get training out into the water. We really do. And the person just shot back at me and it didn't go well. And it was like, yeah, but you know, I can't execute this on my own. can't. execute this on my own and I'm sitting here going like well that's news to me because you're in this position for the last three years so what are we doing and I've asked you for these trainings and all that stuff so we're at a standstill now it was a very uncomfortable conversation where literally I had five minutes of kind of speaking my mind and then it was the next 10 minutes of her really blaming me So I, a little while ago, just, you know, I used good old AI, figured out my thought process and wrote what I think is a respectful email and asked for a conversation tomorrow. And so we'll see, we're stuck right now. So we're stuck in this, there's no oil in the engine here and we'll see what she writes back. might not be what I want, you know? And these are tough conversations because here I am, I understand my privilege. I'm a white woman, right? I understand. And I'm equipped to understand what that means when I'm speaking to BIPOC. people and she is. And so there's only, you know, what am I going to, there's only so much give and take I can do. It's like, we just need to understand what the role and responsibility is going into 2026. And that's where I want to get to. And whatever she needs me to do, I will do it. I will stay late. I will, I will write the damn decks, but it needs to happen. So we are at the efficiency place.
Jolie Shapiro22:08.611
Wow, thank you for sharing that.
Claude Silver22:11.404
Yes, yes, real deal.
Jolie Shapiro22:15.555
I haven't been in that situation, but the thing, I mean, just hearing you the way you're handling it sounds like you have a lot of self-awareness.
Claude Silver22:24.558
Thank you. I mean, it's a massive, well, it's a massive journey for me, but it's a massive priority for me. I don't want to, I don't want to point fingers when I should be pointing thumbs at myself. And I understand like, at the end of like I said to you, at the end of the day, anything that happens with people and the experience they have in this workplace is on me, even though I'm eight steps removed, but it is on me. And so thus, let's do something about it. Let's do something about it. I don't want to have another conversation with you telling me that this person feels marginalized. I know that already. What are we doing?
Jolie Shapiro23:15.819
And it's, I think where I can relate is I have a really big, no, how do I put this? I have a lot of issues, not issues, I do, but they make me fun. But I have trouble asking for help. And I don't think I'm the only one.
Claude Silver23:35.106
Yep.
Jolie Shapiro23:40.788
You're like on the raise my hand. This is an audio podcast, but I'm happy to put that clip in there. Yeah, I mean, I'm a and it has bitten me in the butt so many times and I I you know, I don't know the person I don't know their situation. I don't know. I don't pretend to know. But I think
Claude Silver23:45.644
My hand is up. No. Yes. It's very hard to ask for help.
Jolie Shapiro24:10.081
At least in my opinion, I think us as humans in general have a lot of trouble admitting that we need help.
Claude Silver24:21.186
Yes. Yeah. Sorry to cut you off, but I was going to say in the workplace and especially with these sensitive issues that who knows what's the right answer here. I don't know. All I know is that there are people that don't feel safe. They don't feel psychologically safe. Okay. Then what are we doing about that? And, and there's a lot I can do, but I'm also not of that population. I need help. So that's me saying I need help.
Jolie Shapiro24:21.813
especially in workplace. Yeah, there you go. How do you handle that kind of pressure? Like just kind of in general, like with those with those really serious sticky issues?
Claude Silver24:59.894
Yeah, I'll tell you what, and this isn't to be a Pollyanna. Most of the time, I feel like we can find solutions via conversation and via just like dialogue and like just being real and talking about the elephant in the room, as sticky as that can be. most of the time. But there have been times probably three or four times in the workplace where I was like, I don't, can't like when the Hamas issue came about October 7th of two years ago, a year ago and a half, like It's an impossible situation. There is nothing I can say that is going to satisfy anyone, whether or not you are Jewish, you're Israeli, you're Muslim, you're Palestinian. Anything I said was terrible. And that was a like, wow, I don't know if I can do this. Like, I don't know if I can take that kind of pressure because I'm Jewish. Like I have feelings, right? But I can't show that. And that was very, very tough. And my boss, Gary, at the end of the week, he was wonderful. You can just read my mind. He called me up and he said, you know, you did the best you could. And I said, yeah, but there's always more I can do. He's like, no, you did the best you could. And I was like, thank you. And I let myself off the hook because I was like. you know, feeling like, shoot, just like I feel like I can't solve racism and I really wish we could. I really wish we could as a society, but either we're not or we can't. And that's a lot of pressure to me when I know that there are people. who are coming into work code switching, hiding their sexuality, hiding their mental health, whatever it is. And we don't work in utopia. We work in the real world. But I desperately want to make the microcosm in which the four walls that we inhabit all over the world and all of our offices, I want to make them as... peaceful, happy, collaborative, creative, friendly, warm as possible. And that takes a lot more than me.
Jolie Shapiro27:19.671
Yes, but you are making a valiant effort. Of course.
Claude Silver27:26.368
trying over here. I'm trying. I'm trying over here. I tell you today was a today that was a doozy, but I'm really glad I got to talk about it just now.
Jolie Shapiro27:36.483
Oh, yeah, I'm happy to. It's funny people. People tell me that this feels more like therapy than an actual podcast. I've had several people tell me that. like, I'm not trying to like...
Claude Silver27:47.456
Thank that's a big, I think it's a big. Yeah. Also, if I may, you I would imagine that you have a lot of self awareness and a lot of empathy knowing what you've gone through the ups and the downs and all of that stuff that happens with shame and yucky yuck yuck that of course you hold space very well because you know what that's like to not have space held for you.
Jolie Shapiro27:54.955
Yeah, yeah, I'll take it. I appreciate that. Yeah, that tracks. I can see why you're in your position. Thank you. I'm just checking, give me a sec, I'm seeing what a good segue would be.
Claude Silver28:28.526
Likewise. Hey, how about those Broncos?
Jolie Shapiro28:42.499
my gosh. I mean, we could. I'm actually Jewish too. It's like going back to what you were saying about just identities in general. I completely understand talking to you now, getting a sense of you, of why you wrote Be Yourself at Work.
Claude Silver28:45.902
No, Thank you. That means a lot to me. Thank you. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard, but there are micro steps we can take to just start to feel a little better in our own skin. And the company needs to meet you. The leaders need to meet you. I'm not suggesting you go do a cannonball into the water and the leaders are just like, yeah, I have nothing. You get to know nothing about me, you know. So thank you though, that makes me feel good.
Jolie Shapiro29:42.689
Yeah, of course. Actually, it brings me to a question. Has someone GM'd you on Slack or Teams performing a version of myself at work and it's killing me? What's the very first sentence you send back?
Claude Silver29:58.507
stop what you're doing right now and get on the phone with me zoom or come let's go take a walk if they're in person like please stop what you're doing i hear you let's talk and then most likely this person will would i would like to give this person some time some time to just breathe and then see if this is the right place for them. Is this a them thing? Is it an us thing? Is it a what thing? There's so many different elements. But one of the things you and I both know is before we turn on our laptop at 9 a.m. or walk into that office, we've had two or three hours of life. And in those two or three hours of life, all kinds of things happen, great things, weird things, kids, this, that, and then we go into the workplace and we are expected to just shut it down. life isn't like that. Put it this way, the life I am in isn't like that. I don't want to exist in a life where it's all Pollyanna, toxic positivity. That's not for me. And I don't, I don't know who it's for, quite frankly.
Jolie Shapiro31:14.807
What's that movie? The black and white movie where it's like a picture perfect world, but it actually wasn't perfect. I think it was, my gosh, Guy from Spider-Man. Yes, I think he was in it. I will look it up and message you. It's a great movie.
Claude Silver31:20.957
was it Jim Carrey? Toby? Toby McGuire? I don't know the movie, but... Okay, Okay. I'm like, should I see it or?
Jolie Shapiro31:42.914
I know you're good. No, this isn't a test because I don't remember it either. it's a yes. It's very cool. But of course, there are lots of attorney of thought. This is my this might be she like what is it? Thank you. I appreciate that. My gosh, what the hell we're talking about because I went on to that movie.
Claude Silver32:02.51
Be yourself at work, really like showing up and not showing up and hiding.
Jolie Shapiro32:10.083
Yes, excited question off that. Yeah, it was an ad lib question. Should I have it work, not being yourself, hyena-ing? That's what it was. That's first of all. The fact that you even attempt is more probably more than 99 % of what people do. What do you see happening? What's your ideal state of either your inner circle or seven degrees or however you want to put it? What impact do you ultimately want to make?
Claude Silver32:52.032
Okay, at a very macro, I would like to remove shame in this world. At a macro. Can't do that alone. But that is something that I am wedded to. I would like to bring a lot more tenderness into this world. I think that's possible with all of us. So there's two macro things there that are just enormous. What I would like though is if a person picks up the book, has a conversation with me, has a conversation with you and feels like they're normal, whatever their normal is, is okay. Cause guess what? We're all a little like that. I don't know anyone that's just normal. because they're faking it, because there is no normal. We are messy. We are messy. And I want that to be okay with that person. And I want that to be understood in the workplace. I'm not saying please mess it all up. No one wants to clean up your mess, right? No one wants to, but... It's OK if some comes out. We are human beings. Like what? We're just supposed to be these machines? like there's this, you know, everyone's like, AI, AI, AI, no, no, yeah, sure, AI, it's here. And it's going to do some great things. AI, as far as I know, this minute is not going to replace this conversation. My hand on your shoulder saying, I got you. And you got this. That's what I want. I want people to be able to authentically meet people where they are, both of them, both, and ride with one another, ride, not be so afraid of getting gunk on you. Like, that takes boundaries, that takes all of that stuff. So it's a whole charade of things I want, but ultimately... I want people to get to know themselves and to feel some kind of sense of I like myself. If they can go, like myself, I'll take that over. love myself. And I will definitely take that over. hate myself.
Jolie Shapiro35:04.387
Sam, how do you think you can achieve that?
Claude Silver35:09.198
through these conversations, through speaking with other like-minded people who have their own communities and their own reach and who are understanding and empathetic and also understand like, I don't have any answers. There's nothing I have here that you don't have, madam, sir. It's just via my own lived experience in the way it comes out of my mouth. But like, I got nothing other than. good vibes and knowing that things can be better and we can find solutions together but I don't have I don't have the answer. I'm not the smartest person in the room. In fact, no one is. The room is. These are those things just like little things that we could tweak in the workplace. That person that interrupts you five times in two back to back meetings. Really? Like get a grip. Understand that that's no bueno. No one needs that. And imagine how you made that person feel. So it's all of this stuff. If we can just be more aware of how we show up every day, how we decide to show up. Am I walking into that meeting being like, hey, what's up, Julie? What's up? Yeah, does it really feel like I want to have attention for you? But it happens. So macro, micro, we can do we can do something. It doesn't have to be this hard.
Jolie Shapiro36:41.153
I love that. You know what's interesting? Everyone gives me the title toward the end of the podcast. It doesn't have to be this hard. Yeah, so right on right on track. Boom.
Claude Silver36:47.104
wow. fascinating. What is it? This hand. Yeah. Nice. Right on, sister. Right on. Libra. Amateur, thorough Libra. We're both ruled by Venus. That is very important to know. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. no. I get along with my I don't know the rules.
Jolie Shapiro37:05.707
Makes sense why we get along, I think. I don't really know the rules, but I'm assuming.
Claude Silver37:13.996
Let's see, the DSM-5 says ADHD in a person with dyslipidemia.
Jolie Shapiro37:24.053
I could, I honestly, if I was better at math and science, I probably could have been a psychiatrist, because I literally, I will, I can diagnose, I can't actually diagnose people medically, but I can, like, I'll know the traits and I'm like, you have this, like, not you, but that person has this.
Claude Silver37:34.68
But. Right? No, no, you have, you understand, you get it. Patterns, you've there, done that.
Jolie Shapiro37:46.017
Yeah, everyone has their superpower. Well, know, we all know, for those that don't know, where can we find you if they have questions?
Claude Silver37:48.46
Yeah. yeah, can find me at ClaudeSilver.com And LinkedIn, I respond to everyone that writes me, it might take a little bit of time, but I'm really active on LinkedIn. And then my website, you know, I don't go to my website, but I answer what comes in the website. And I'm, like, it's not fascinated, I wanna do this. I wanna do this. And it is going to take a heck of a lot of us that believe that we can make these incremental changes and that people don't have to hide and suffer in the workplace.
Jolie Shapiro38:16.707
I love that. Love it. Well, thank you so much, Claude. Really, really appreciate it.
Claude Silver38:36.942
Thank you, this is the best. I'm coming to Denver like tomorrow.
Jolie Shapiro38:41.813
I mean, hey, we'll do, well, we'll try. We can try the cut-down divide. I don't know if it's gonna happen, but we'll take like three steps up, be like, okay, let's go get a coffee.
Claude Silver38:45.664
I don't Yeah, I need some, no. But in time, we can do that. In time.
Jolie Shapiro38:57.762
in time. Thank you again.