Podcast
Revenue Mind
Where revenue leaders take the game face off. Hosted by Jolie Shapiro: burnout, anxiety, ADHD, addiction, grief, and the pressure of carrying a number. Join us in breaking the stigma.
New episodes Wednesdays.
40+ episodes. Start with these five.
- 01Do the WorkLeslie VenetzBurnout recovery without a tidy ending. Stuck in hyperarousal, drinking to come down at night, and no quick fix at the end of it.
- 02Pick Your PoisonIan KoniakThe number one enterprise rep at Salesforce, living a double life at the top of his game, and what getting sober actually took.
- 03Just Own ItTim DavidsonHe and his wife lost their first child. He buried it in work, and says now he's angry at himself for it.
- 04Do It AfraidLashay LewisEntrepreneurial depression, named as such, by someone who didn't know she was depressed until she saw it described by a stranger online.
- 05From Trauma to TriumphHacia AthertonA 600kg horse landed on her. Six months in hospital, 117 days to stand for ten seconds, and a whole theory of leadership out of it.
These conversations are where Game Face Down came from. The book is the long version. Prefer to read? Every episode has a full transcript.
Latest episodes
Aug 12, 2026F*ck It Let’s Be Awkward | Chaniqua (Nikki) Ivey, Co-Founder of SDRDefendersFrom selling cars to two decades in SaaS, Nikki Ivey turned a writer’s love of words into a sales career—and a conviction that the people most skilled at moving others should be creating culture, not just complaining abo…
Aug 5, 2026You Do You | Richard Harris, Founder of The Harris Consulting GroupSomewhere past 500 podcast episodes, hosting and guesting combined, and nobody had ever asked Richard Harris what talking about his mental health has cost him. 
Jul 29, 2026I'm an HR Risk | James Buckley, Partnerships and Host at Sell BetterFrom 15+ years in professional kitchens to two decades in sales, James Buckley has built Say What Sales—a personal brand rooted in one line: if you're a salesperson, we're the same person. 
Jul 22, 2026Hand Off the Hot Potato | Freddie Laker, Founding Partner of Chameleon CollectiveFrom one-and-done author to accidental evangelist for a better way to work, Freddie Laker has spent a decade building Chameleon Collective, a four-time Inc. 5000 “collective” where everyone gets to be the boss and share…
Jul 15, 2026Pick Your Poison | Ian Koniak, Founder of Untap Your Sales PotentialFrom the number one enterprise rep at Salesforce to a self-described "functioning addict" living a double life at the top of his game, Ian Koniak traces how a 20-year work-hard-play-hard grind nearly cost him his marriag…
Jul 8, 2026Put the Shovel Down | Amber Hollingsworth, Master Addiction CounselorFrom accidentally landing in addiction counseling with “no life jacket” to building a whole career on one radical idea, that people recover better when treatment isn’t a miserable experience, Master Addiction Counselor A…
Jul 1, 2026From Trauma to Triumph | Hacia Atherton, Author of the Billion Dollar Blind $potA 600kg horse landed on Hacia Atherton while she was training for international dressage. 
Jun 24, 2026Ride With The Unexpected | Heather Bell, VP of Sales at VectorFrom layoffs and COVID teaching her what’s actually controllable, to a husband’s truth bomb that finally broke a years-long pattern of “riding it out,” Heather Bell traces the line from people-pleasing grit to self-respo…
Jun 17, 2026Stay Grounded | Anthony Morell, Senior Manager, Digital Marketing at MRCFrom breaking down the “polished corporate box” to rebuilding identity through faith, community, and self-responsibility, Anthony Morell shares what helped him move from people-pleasing to authenticity: online and off. 
Jun 10, 2026Lead Your Life | Robert LoCascio, Founder of LivePersonRob LoCascio (founder/former CEO of LivePerson) joins Jolie to riff on purpose, grit, and what it really takes to build for the long haul, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.